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Glen's avatar

The nuclear family (mom, dad and their minor kids especially when young) is not a socialist org, its a dictatorship. The kids do not get a vote on most issues. As the kids grow up they get more say to prepare them to be adults, but only as the dictators see fit.

The kibbutz appears to be a socialist organization and was formed by those who believed in socialism and yes, accountability and trust are very important. My personal experience was that is was a capitalist organization where the workers were shareholders and each member held the same number of shares. The better the organization did, the more it prospered and some kibbutzim were more successful than others. As voting on every issue does not work, they elected a council to make the decisions.

Some orgs were rigorous in their socialism. If one family got a red bicycle, every family got the same one. Others did use currency. Families shared in the profits but had the freedom to do what they wished with their share of profits.

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Zhao Ming's avatar

I like the nuanced perspectives you offer here, especially the differentiation between scales and then the ways in which we might overlap the mundane and sacred which shape our interactions / conceptualizations of these different systems. I imagine that I was the one whose voice you could hear about socialization :D so I certainly have some thoughts building from your post, particularly around internalization of incentive, but I gained some valuable insight from reading this, thank you!

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